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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk Edited by: ISD Serathu Ashk on 18/03/2009 00:55:39
Originally by: Killer2
This made me laugh. Not only is ISD biased but their also quite dellusional.
It does not take a rocket scientist to know that ISD news articles are purely the representation of a biased view. This has been an ongoing issue for quite sometime and it only seems to be getting worse and worse as time goes on. Kenzoku have been suffering from constant defeats for the last 6 weeks and no ISD articles were published during this period. They have their first major win in this time period and it's followed by two ISD news articles. Where were the ISD reporters during the initial 6 weeks? Why weren't any articles published about the daily slaughter Kenzoku and their allies received while the two coalitions (north and south) sieged Delve and Querious?
If you want the community to take ISD seriously with the news they publish, please make it as unbiased as practically possible and try to show some consistency with the events that may warrant a news report.
I can understand your viewpoint however I must point out that correlation does not imply causation.
To explain the reason behind what you've identified, we're volunteers and as such cannot rely on a formal commitment of time when it comes to reporting. We're somewhat understaffed at the moment and given some recent illnesses and absences, we've not necessarily had the experience and the volunteer time to commit to writing such news. This, coupled with the fact that we're not always told about events that happen (again, we don't have the staffing to know about everything that goes on or check every forum post), makes it very hard to produce a consistent output in terms of number of articles.
It's a situation I'm unhappy with which is why we're taking more reports on and will start prominently recruiting soon (we've got to make sure we have the people to train new volunteers first).
I hope that clearly answers this concern but if not, I'll be happy to explain further.
The base problem with this response is that literally spending 5 minutes per week browsing 1 or 2 threads on scrapheap or on caod or even both if you can spare the 10 minutes would give an infinitely more complete picture of what is going on in the eve universe then whatever method you actually use now. Granted the way you provide an out for yourselves it is at the limits of but within believable possibility that the only people contacting you with news articles are from either kenzoku or their friends, however this is a slim to none kind of deal.
The real issue here is that ISD saw fit to report on nothing for more then a month and then only decides to come back and report on the one victory a side has had in that month + period, and also that this is not a rare thin but historically is quite common. I am sorry to say but if you want to be a news service you are going to have to do a little research yourselves. We have a different name for reporting services that only print out what they are given, they are called propaganda machines and to be honest no propaganda machine should be directly assosciated with CCP in any way shape or form.
If you lack the resources to pull something off that is fine dont do it, but don't print out incredibly biased statements with no research on a somewhat regular basis, that is a far worse crime then doing nothing at all. Reallistically why would anyone interested in reporting what is actually going on in eve be interested in joining an outfit that is for all outward appearences just a propaganda tool.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.18 08:03:00 -
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ISD News, Fair and Balanced.
How ironic is it that when I went to foxnews website to make sure Fair and Balanced was their saying that there is an eve add on the front page :p
might be targeted advertising but still amusing none the less
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 18/03/2009 23:17:04
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Totally Slick the idea that anyone at ccp or any one who volunteers for ccp could cheat is just so ridiculous that I won't even acknowledge the possibility that it could happen
I think you are on pretty rocky ground here goonswarm. Since in the eyes of many Eve players your current "squatting" on the Band of Brothers corp name for the purpose of blocking the re-creation of an established player alliance name is something that certainly looks like a breach of the rules and the fact that CCP haven't already forcibly renamed the goonswarm "band of brothers alt corp" to "corporation 112113131331" looks as much as anything like a biased position in your favour...
It is ridiculous that corporation naming can block alliance naming in the first place - but wilfully doing this to cause grief and upset by denying an existing player entity its established in-game identity is something that many consider beyond the pale of reasonable gameplay. By this deed goonswarm directors displayed their intention to remove history from the game and exploit poor game mechanics to do it.
Got to say if I was still on the CSM I'd be for bringing this matter up to CCP as a matter of principle, since I think failing to rectify this situation when there is a past record of impersonation characters and entities being removed is poor form.
So at this point goonswarm complaining about CCP bias is laughable at best. You are abusing the alliance/corporation naming system for cheap morale damage against other paying Eve players and it doesn't look good.
before you get all righteous about how the evil goonies have done so wrong by utterly destroying their enemy u might want to look and see that the same side was attempting to do the same thing at the same time, infact they were even more open about it.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=980800
The fact that this is still on the first page when you are talking about it is rather embarassing though :/
dont throw stones when living in glass houses and what not.
edit: and god dont bring up your CSM time, that just proved how worthless of a PR bit the entire CSM thing was. Take a hint, you were not chosen again in any fashion.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine words
Don't say "you guys" like I am a member or have ever been a member of goonswarm. My corp history is fairly simple and you are free to look it up whenever you like. I have been in both of the current powerblocs and trying to label me as one or the other is a way to dismiss any arguments I make and a sad one at that.
As to your line of argument, if Goonswarm would have spent the billion and just remade an alliance with the band of brothers name you wouldnt have any complaint about it?
Tbh through metagaming that was largely introduced to this game via these people, their name was taken from them without violating any of the EULA, as far as I am concerned goons now own that name.
Also of a side note, that post is made by one alt of Jake Noble(lol apparently ccp dont ban all alt posters) who other then being a former high ranking member in band of brothers and still influential liason to BOB and AAA, so my point in raising the post was that it was infact a GBC post and the irony of them losing their name so recently after such a disgusting attempt and metagaming is a hilarious event of the highest order.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 00:06:02
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib Also of a side note, that post is made by one alt of Jake Noble(lol apparently ccp dont ban all alt posters) who was a former high ranking member in band of brothers and still influential liason to BOB and AAA, so my point in raising the post was that it was infact a GBC post and the irony of them losing their name so recently after such a disgusting attempt and metagaming is a hilarious event of the highest order.
Like I said I don't care who made that post. I'm opposed to squatting on other people's unique entity names regardless of who thinks to do it and who they attempt to do it to. Irony or not, it represents a diminishing of the unique player history of Eve online and I think it just isn't on.
As for goonswarm paying 1b and registering the alliance name I'd still oppose that. (or anybody else doing this).
The only way I think it would be reasonable for goonswarm to get control of the Band of Brothers name is if they managed to subvert enough ceos/directors of alliance and literally kick out everyone else. (This would be pretty damned difficult of course but that hasn't stopped other people managing it in the past).
The snap disband / immediate registration of a corp to block the alliance reforming was a cheap trick whichever way you cut it and its the main reason why this delve campaign is not something that impresses the general population of the server much.
As already pointed out in this thread - ISD news reading "oh yeah we got a guy to click alliance disband and registered another corp name to steal the identity and basically won" - isn't newsworthy or good copy.
you mean kind of like kicking out all the corps in bob by coercing exactly enough of the high ranking leadership in the alliance to accomplish the task which btw was determined by the type of security bob had and the access they granted to certain members.
what is newsworthy is the betrayal of one of the dominant alliances of the game by one of their higher ups and the destruction of said alliance, or maybe the loss of said alliances entire section of space that had been one of the areas of space in the longest consectuive ownership by a single entity. Or maybe we could even make it newsworthy that said alliance under new name had their entire capital fleet and a number of titan and mothership class vessels trapped in one system for an entire month, I mean surely if undocking said fleet and jumping out of system was newsworthy, then why would it not be newsworthy to report on the fleet being trapped there in the first place, or nay of the previous breakout attempts that ended in utter failure.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0 Well then apply to ISD and write those reports.
what and subvert the fair and balanced reporting you guys are putting out now?
articles are already being submitted and ignored, as some have even posted confirming in this very thread, the issue is deeper then the shallow excuse of its to much work.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:33:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 00:37:19
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: Pesadel0 Well then apply to ISD and write those reports.
what and subvert the fair and balanced reporting you guys are putting out now?
articles are already being submitted and ignored, as some have even posted confirming in this very thread, the issue is deeper then the shallow excuse of its to much work.
It is a obvious conspiracy against coalition and in favor of BoB and -A- then .
No it is an obvious failure of achieving a stated objective. If they lack the will to achieve the goal of unbiased reporting they set forth then really there is no reason for ISD to exist. In which case it needs to take an idea from Aurora and be gone.
edit: on a side note still going the deny everything because everyone else is a conspiracy nut route has worked so well for you in the past its brave to continue on it, *cough* aurora *cough*, *cough* t20 *cough*, *cough metagaming *cough*, *cough* spys in ts *cough*
you are right though clearly everyone is paranoid cause your group has such a clean history of always playing honestly and not abusing everything under the sun to gain an advantage....
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
I agree lets nuke everything because they werent "neutral" in your perspective .
quick redefine what I wrote so you can have amunition against it. go go go
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:00:12
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Mo adib
Originally by: Pesadel0
I agree lets nuke everything because they werent "neutral" in your perspective .
quick redefine what I wrote so you can have amunition against it. go go go
Well i can always say that the story of your expulsion from your old alliance had more substance than our battle in 49- ,not substance,but definitely more humor.It sure was a first getting kicked from an alliance because some alts on caod mailed the leaearship that your corp were going rogue.
I can see it know the tittle :"First ever CAOD Alt corp wreaks **** in drone regions"
In this subject we are in agreement, I also think it is damn hilarious how all that went down. Had it made the news I would have laughed harder even. The hard part about that being news however is that it is so unbelievable had it not happened to me I might not believe it :/
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:18:16
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Biased news reporting != Scam or game mechanics .
Whats biased about following up good leads but not following up bad leads?
You guys are very quick to whine about things when something goes against you. Is it so hard to believe that you are simply worse at propaganda news than your opponents?
worst = not exploiting a neutral(Fair and Balanced CCP regulated news reporting group
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damn goonies havent sunk low enough yet jade needs you lower.
edit: fixed
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel You do know that aurora or what not had bobbits , right ? So what makes em bias proof .
And I know that CCP told us that goons had more volunteers devs gms and whatnot than bob had. Random rabble rabble is not proof.
And I also know how the in-game news process works having managed to get Star Fraction in the news more times than goons and their allies have done so far
Its not sorcery and its not rocket-science. It does take the ability to click "submit news lead" and provide the seed of the story, opportunity for journalism and suggestions for other participants to interview so the reporter can present a balanced case.
ISD don't like canned narratives or closed conclusions. Maybe thats where you are going wrong?
So that is where Blazde went wrong on page 5 of this thread.... try again, keep the excuse mil running maybe eventually you will draw one up that cant be easily countered in 20 seconds of browsing the very thread you are posting in.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:35:32
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: isqander And the fact that whatever corp you run gets any attention is proof that the current system is broken.
The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda is not proof of anything being broken. Ultimately it doesn't matter if you have 5000 members and camped a station for a month if none of your directors or representatives are capable of submitting a valid news lead.
If you want to make an impact you have to sell yourselves properly
I would like to thank you jade for your part in keeping this issue current and at the top of the forums, you are doing a great deed in helping people to see the injustice of the current ISD propaganda machine and the people thank you for your service.
edit: also insert joke about you mentioning selling yourself properly and rping being a tranny prostitute. ahh internet irony never gets old.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:44:03
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib I would like to thank you jade for your part in keeping this issue current and at the top of the forums...
Its an important issue really. Every so often in Eve online some alliance or another thinks to attack ISD news on the allegation of perceived "bias" its generally always revealed as sour grapes and inability to use the "submit news lead" button correctly.
On this thread we've already seen a senior goon confirming that this current anti ISD campaign is just a organized campaign of wrecking to follow on the from the organized anti-CAOD campaign of the month before.
No mystery here.
it must be pretty awesome to read whatever you want to see from anything that is written down. How did you learn to do such a nifty trick?
edit: but oh wait that is right there are actually quite a few in this thread not from goons and some not even related to goons (which is an accomplishment because apparently they napped all of eve rite?) that are upset over the horrible job that is being done and the lame excuses being given for why it was handled so poorly.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:50:02 you do realize it is possible to talk about more people then ourselves? I mean I know its a stretch for you that there exists a world outside of your ego, but trust me its there.
strangely enough some of them even replied to you in this thread although you promptly ignored them, most likely because they dont fit into your fantasy world....
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:03:00 -
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I was taing more about the completely unrelated to goonswarm posters that have posted upset about the ISD problem and even responded to your threads tearing apart your points.
I could go on but your most recent post hits my point square on the head, you have tunnel vision for goons and getting righteous about ISD's unbiased reporting (which a blind man can see is about as biased as it gets) is your way of keeping up your goon hatred.
I dont know what they did to make you hate them so much, and I dont really care, because that is your problem.
What I do care about is a ccp backed news entity being utilized as a propaganda machine for select groups in game.
the major difference between a news reporting organization and a propaganda machine is that a propaganda machine chooses what to report and what ot supress.
This thread is filled with allegations and some evidence that ISD is in fact a propaganda machine, and the official ISD response to that is that they are understaffed. This response however is about as flacid as it gets, it can maybe explain the lack of news articles over certain time periods, it cannot however explain the content of the stories that are chosen to be reported on when ISD decides to put a piece out there.
Try and write this argument off as a goon offensive on ccp or whatever you think it is, but this is just a statement of facts as I have observed them and apparently others share my analysis of the situation.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 03:40:30 and my response was that just because goons are trying to delegitimize an organization that I have a legitimate grievance with does not mean my grievance is not legitimate, and that goes for all the other non goons and goons that view this as a real grievance.....
infact I might even go so far as to say that it is very acceptable for someone to attempt to show how illegitimate an organization is if they perceive it that way.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:10:00 -
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welp
yep thats right put words in my mouth, its ok eventually you will have an argument in this thread that doesnt get shot down.
I am saying if there is a perceived bias or iligitimacy I see nothing wrong with them bringing that to light, I dont think that this company has a history of being innocent of such things and in this case there is evidence to support the accusations which has been responded to with irrelevant facts about them being understaffed, in effect deflecting the accusations.
However seeing as this thread has now reached 8 pages and you are beginning to bore me I think ill call it a day and let others take the torch
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:51:00 -
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the evidence is in this very thread, look hard you may find it.
you are still saying you guys like I am a goon when that is not the case nor has it ever been. but keep trying an ad hominem to get out of this one, maybe it will work sometime.
and just as it has been helping to liven up your hauling trip, it has been helping to ensure that every person on caod reads the first page of this post and about the problems with ISD, most dont make it 5 pages in to read the drible you are spewing.
so o/ \o job well done.
you can shorten your posts alot by just typing TTT though
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.21 02:11:00 -
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The Spice Must Flow.
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